Billy Corgan, the frontman and creative engine of the 90s alt-rockers the Smashing Pumpkins, sat down with Joe and Jon for a frisky conversation about his personal and professional rebirth — including his passion for the emotional intensity of guitar rock; the passion with which his critics dismiss him; and his passion for rubbing his recent re-ascendance in their faces. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and Amazon Music. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.